This Problem Across All Years
THIS COMPLAINT IS LIKE MANY OTHERS THAT HAVE, OR ARE, COMPLAINING ABOUT THE HEAT ISSUE OF THE ENGINE AND BEING IGNORED. THE PROBLEM IS SO SEVERE THAT IT ACTUALLY BURNS THE INSIDE OF THE THIGH DURING OPERATION. THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN WITH OTHER THREE WHEELED VEHICLES WITH TRIKE CONVERSIONS SUCH AS SUZUKI, HONDA, ETC. THE PLASTIC HOUSING OF THE CANAM 998 ENGINE HOLDS THE EXCESSIVE HEAT WITHOUT AN ACCEPTABLE VENT OTHER THAN ALLOWING IT TO DIFFUSE RIGHT UP THROUGH YOUR LEGS. THIS MAKES FOR A DANGEROUS SITUATION IN THAT IT DIRECTS MUCH OF YOUR MIND AND DRIVING ATTENTION TOWARD ATTEMPTS TO RELIEVE THE PROBLEM FOR YOUR LEGS, PLUS THERE HAVE BEEN ISSUES ON OTHER MODEL CANAM VEHICLES WHERE THE MACHINE EVENTUALLY CAUGHT FIRE. BRP, THE PARENT COMPANY OF THE CANAM IS PIECE-MEALING ATTENTION TO THE "RT" MODEL AND IGNORING LONG TERM CORRECTIVE MEASURES FOR ALL MODELS. *TR
THIS COMPLAINT IS LIKE MANY OTHERS THAT HAVE, OR ARE, COMPLAINING ABOUT THE HEAT ISSUE OF THE ENGINE AND BEING IGNORED. THE PROBLEM IS SO SEVERE THAT IT ACTUALLY BURNS THE INSIDE OF THE THIGH DURING OPERATION. THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN WITH OTHER THREE WHEELED VEHICLES WITH TRIKE CONVERSIONS SUCH AS SUZUKI, HONDA, ETC. THE PLASTIC HOUSING OF THE CANAM 998 ENGINE HOLDS THE EXCESSIVE HEAT WITHOUT AN ACCEPTABLE VENT OTHER THAN ALLOWING IT TO DIFFUSE RIGHT UP THROUGH YOUR LEGS. THIS MAKES FOR A DANGEROUS SITUATION IN THAT IT DIRECTS MUCH OF YOUR MIND AND DRIVING ATTENTION TOWARD ATTEMPTS TO RELIEVE THE PROBLEM FOR YOUR LEGS, PLUS THERE HAVE BEEN ISSUES ON OTHER MODEL CANAM VEHICLES WHERE THE MACHINE EVENTUALLY CAUGHT FIRE. BRP, THE PARENT COMPANY OF THE CANAM IS PIECE-MEALING ATTENTION TO THE "RT" MODEL AND IGNORING LONG TERM CORRECTIVE MEASURES FOR ALL MODELS. *TR
BRP / CAN-AM REPLACED THE 2013 SPYDER ST-LIMITED HEAT SIDE-PANELS RECENTLY UNDER WARRANTY WITH NEW DESIGN 2014 HEAT SIDE-PANELS INSTALLED BY A CAN-AM DEALER ON 2 DECEMBER 2014 (A BRP CASE FILE WAS OPENED WITH A BRP CASE NUMBER PROVIDED ON 21 OCTOBER 2014 AND IS AVAILABLE FOR REFERENCE). HOWEVER, THE SPYDER'S GAS TANK AND GASOLINE FUEL CONTINUES TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY HOT DURING & AFTER RIDING THE SPYDER. IN ADDITION AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, SIGNIFICANT FUEL VAPOR FUMES CONTINUE TO BE PRESENT AFTER OPERATING THE SPYDER. I'M MOST CONCERNED THE HOT GAS TANK, HOT GASOLINE FUEL, AND HEATED FUEL VAPOR FUMES ARE UNSAFE OR DANGEROUS AND COULD CAUSE AN EXPLOSION, FIRE, AND INJURIES TO LIFE AND PROPERTY. I HAVE ALSO REPORTED THIS CONCERN COMPLAINT TO BRP / CAN-AM AND REQUESTED RESOLUTION BUT HAVE NOT YET HEARD BACK FROM THEM. --- "WHAT CAN BRP DO ABOUT OVER-HEATED GAS AND DANGEROUS FUEL FUMES ASSOCIATED WITH OUR 2013 SPYDER?" *TR
BRP / CAN-AM REPLACED THE 2013 SPYDER ST-LIMITED HEAT SIDE-PANELS RECENTLY UNDER WARRANTY WITH NEW DESIGN 2014 HEAT SIDE-PANELS INSTALLED BY A CAN-AM DEALER ON 2 DECEMBER 2014 (A BRP CASE FILE WAS OPENED WITH A BRP CASE NUMBER PROVIDED ON 21 OCTOBER 2014 AND IS AVAILABLE FOR REFERENCE). HOWEVER, THE SPYDER'S GAS TANK AND GASOLINE FUEL CONTINUES TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY HOT DURING & AFTER RIDING THE SPYDER. IN ADDITION AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, SIGNIFICANT FUEL VAPOR FUMES CONTINUE TO BE PRESENT AFTER OPERATING THE SPYDER. I'M MOST CONCERNED THE HOT GAS TANK, HOT GASOLINE FUEL, AND HEATED FUEL VAPOR FUMES ARE UNSAFE OR DANGEROUS AND COULD CAUSE AN EXPLOSION, FIRE, AND INJURIES TO LIFE AND PROPERTY. I HAVE ALSO REPORTED THIS CONCERN COMPLAINT TO BRP / CAN-AM AND REQUESTED RESOLUTION BUT HAVE NOT YET HEARD BACK FROM THEM. --- "WHAT CAN BRP DO ABOUT OVER-HEATED GAS AND DANGEROUS FUEL FUMES ASSOCIATED WITH OUR 2013 SPYDER?" *TR
MILE 1067 COMPLAINED ABOUT EXCESSIVE HEAT COMING FROM RIGHT FLOORBOARD AREA AND GAS FUMES TO MY DEALER, TOLD IT'S NORMAL. MILE 4582 2ND SERVICE DEALER INSTALLED HEAT SHIELD AT MASTER CYLINDER PER BRP FOR HEAT ISSUES, STILL EXCESSIVE HEAT, FUMES AND NOW BOILING GAS IN TANK. DEALER CONSIDER ALL NORMAL OPERATION. MILE 6386 SPYDERLOVERS.COM CHATS FOUND OUT ABOUT ECM NEEDED UPDATE FOR HEAT ISSUE CALLED DEALER AND CONFIRMED BRING IN. NO NOTIFICATION FROM BRP. CARRIED TO DEALER UPDATE INSTALLED, STILL COMPLAIN ABOUT ABOVE ISSUES. MILE 7988 REPLACED TRAILER MODULE BURNED OUT REPLACED, I BELIEVE DUE TO HEAT, SAME COMPLAINT AS ABOVE. NO ACTION TAKEN. MILE 11277 REPLACED TRAILER MODULE BURNED OUT REPLACED ,SAME COMPLAINTS AS BEFORE NO ACTION. MILE 12000 BOTH FRONT TIRES SEVERELY CUPPED BRP SAID NO ON WARRANTY TO MANY MILES, I REPLACED BUT THATS UNSATISFACTORY MILEAGE ON FRONTS. 8/25/14 E-MAIL BRP ABOUT HEAT ISSUES. 8/26/14 SENT ME CASE NUMBER. 10/24/14 MILE 13641 BRP OK'D REPLACING UPPER RIGHT AND LEFT SIDE COVERS TO ALLOW MORE AIR TO ENGINE COMPARTMENT REPLACED THEM. IN MY OPINION AFTER SIDE PANEL REPLACEMENT RIDING A FEW HOURS TEMP 88 DEGREES THAT THIS HELPED SOME WITH HEAT AT FLOORBOARD BUT WON'T HOLD UP WHEN 90 + DEGREES AND FUMES AND BOILING GAS STILL AN ISSUE. *TR
MILE 1067 COMPLAINED ABOUT EXCESSIVE HEAT COMING FROM RIGHT FLOORBOARD AREA AND GAS FUMES TO MY DEALER, TOLD IT'S NORMAL. MILE 4582 2ND SERVICE DEALER INSTALLED HEAT SHIELD AT MASTER CYLINDER PER BRP FOR HEAT ISSUES, STILL EXCESSIVE HEAT, FUMES AND NOW BOILING GAS IN TANK. DEALER CONSIDER ALL NORMAL OPERATION. MILE 6386 SPYDERLOVERS.COM CHATS FOUND OUT ABOUT ECM NEEDED UPDATE FOR HEAT ISSUE CALLED DEALER AND CONFIRMED BRING IN. NO NOTIFICATION FROM BRP. CARRIED TO DEALER UPDATE INSTALLED, STILL COMPLAIN ABOUT ABOVE ISSUES. MILE 7988 REPLACED TRAILER MODULE BURNED OUT REPLACED, I BELIEVE DUE TO HEAT, SAME COMPLAINT AS ABOVE. NO ACTION TAKEN. MILE 11277 REPLACED TRAILER MODULE BURNED OUT REPLACED ,SAME COMPLAINTS AS BEFORE NO ACTION. MILE 12000 BOTH FRONT TIRES SEVERELY CUPPED BRP SAID NO ON WARRANTY TO MANY MILES, I REPLACED BUT THATS UNSATISFACTORY MILEAGE ON FRONTS. 8/25/14 E-MAIL BRP ABOUT HEAT ISSUES. 8/26/14 SENT ME CASE NUMBER. 10/24/14 MILE 13641 BRP OK'D REPLACING UPPER RIGHT AND LEFT SIDE COVERS TO ALLOW MORE AIR TO ENGINE COMPARTMENT REPLACED THEM. IN MY OPINION AFTER SIDE PANEL REPLACEMENT RIDING A FEW HOURS TEMP 88 DEGREES THAT THIS HELPED SOME WITH HEAT AT FLOORBOARD BUT WON'T HOLD UP WHEN 90 + DEGREES AND FUMES AND BOILING GAS STILL AN ISSUE. *TR
REPORTED BY PHONE, CASE [XXX]. -WHEN TEMPERATURE UNDER THE PARKED VEHICLE REACHES A THRESHOLD , AND THE VEHICLE IS LATER DRIVEN OFF, THE DISPLAY SCREEN CHANGES TO ORANGE CHECK ENGINE. THIS DISTRACTS THE RIDER AND FORCES THE EYES OFF THE ROAD, A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION. -BRP, THE MFG, KNOWS THIS DEFECT AND WILL NOY FIX IT. THE DEALER DID NOT DISCLOSE THIS DEFECT AND AFTER I REPORTED IT SAID IF AFFECTS ALL SPYDERS FOR AT LEAST THE LAST 2 YEARS. -THE OWNERS MANUAL ON PAGE 26, IT STATES "ENGINE MANAGEMENT COMPONENT MALFUNCTION-REMOVE AND REINSERT KEY." THIS "SOLUTION" OF REMOVING AND REINSERTING KEY IS IMPRACTICAL AND DOES NOT WORK UNTIL RIDER HAS DRIVEN SEVERAL (4-10) MILES. -THE DEALER STATES HE GETS SEVERAL CALLS EVERY WEEK BUT SAID BRP REFUSED TO FIX IT. HE SENT ME TO BRP DIRECTLY. THE AGENT TOOK DOWN THE INFORMATION (SHIRLEY), AGREED IT WAS A POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS SITUATION, CLAIM #[XXX]. -THE DEALER CALLED BRP, REFERENCED CLAIM NUMBER AND WAS TOLD THE VEHICLE WAS OPERATING AS DESIGNED. -I CALLED BRP AGAIN AND WAS TOLD THEY WOULD DO NOTHING. -I WOULD NOT HAVE BOUGHT THIS VEHICLE HAD THIS BEEN DISCLOSED BV THE DEALER. -ONE OF THE TARGET MARKETS FOR THIS VEHICLE ARE OLDER CITIZENS (I AM 66) THAT MAY NOT BE EXPERIENCED RIDERS. WHEN THIS HAPPENS TO THEM, THEY MIGHT PANIC, SETTING UP A CHAIN OF EVENTS LEADING TO SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH. -FINALLY, WHEN THE VEHICLE HAS BEEN DRIVEN A FEW MILES THE DISPLAY CHANGES BACK TO NORMAL BUT NOW THERE IS A RECTANGLE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE DISPLAY THAT FLASHES CHECK ENGINE. WHEN THE BIKE COMES TO A STOP THE FLASHING STOPS AND THE ENTIRE SCREEN IS ONCE AGAIN TAKEN OVER BY THE ORANGE CHECK ENGINE LIGHT. INFORMATION REDACTED PURSUANT TO THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. 552(B)(6). *TR
REPORTED BY PHONE, CASE [XXX]. -WHEN TEMPERATURE UNDER THE PARKED VEHICLE REACHES A THRESHOLD , AND THE VEHICLE IS LATER DRIVEN OFF, THE DISPLAY SCREEN CHANGES TO ORANGE CHECK ENGINE. THIS DISTRACTS THE RIDER AND FORCES THE EYES OFF THE ROAD, A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION. -BRP, THE MFG, KNOWS THIS DEFECT AND WILL NOY FIX IT. THE DEALER DID NOT DISCLOSE THIS DEFECT AND AFTER I REPORTED IT SAID IF AFFECTS ALL SPYDERS FOR AT LEAST THE LAST 2 YEARS. -THE OWNERS MANUAL ON PAGE 26, IT STATES "ENGINE MANAGEMENT COMPONENT MALFUNCTION-REMOVE AND REINSERT KEY." THIS "SOLUTION" OF REMOVING AND REINSERTING KEY IS IMPRACTICAL AND DOES NOT WORK UNTIL RIDER HAS DRIVEN SEVERAL (4-10) MILES. -THE DEALER STATES HE GETS SEVERAL CALLS EVERY WEEK BUT SAID BRP REFUSED TO FIX IT. HE SENT ME TO BRP DIRECTLY. THE AGENT TOOK DOWN THE INFORMATION (SHIRLEY), AGREED IT WAS A POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS SITUATION, CLAIM #[XXX]. -THE DEALER CALLED BRP, REFERENCED CLAIM NUMBER AND WAS TOLD THE VEHICLE WAS OPERATING AS DESIGNED. -I CALLED BRP AGAIN AND WAS TOLD THEY WOULD DO NOTHING. -I WOULD NOT HAVE BOUGHT THIS VEHICLE HAD THIS BEEN DISCLOSED BV THE DEALER. -ONE OF THE TARGET MARKETS FOR THIS VEHICLE ARE OLDER CITIZENS (I AM 66) THAT MAY NOT BE EXPERIENCED RIDERS. WHEN THIS HAPPENS TO THEM, THEY MIGHT PANIC, SETTING UP A CHAIN OF EVENTS LEADING TO SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH. -FINALLY, WHEN THE VEHICLE HAS BEEN DRIVEN A FEW MILES THE DISPLAY CHANGES BACK TO NORMAL BUT NOW THERE IS A RECTANGLE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE DISPLAY THAT FLASHES CHECK ENGINE. WHEN THE BIKE COMES TO A STOP THE FLASHING STOPS AND THE ENTIRE SCREEN IS ONCE AGAIN TAKEN OVER BY THE ORANGE CHECK ENGINE LIGHT. INFORMATION REDACTED PURSUANT TO THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. 552(B)(6). *TR
AFTER RIDING VEHICLE & PARKING IT , I COULD SMELL STRONG FUEL FUMES FROM VEHICLE. I ALSO NOTICED THAT THE BODY PANELS BECOMES VERY HOT . I ALSO NOTICED THAT THE FUEL IN THE TANK HAS BUBBLES / BOILING .I BROUGHT THE VEHICLE AT MY LOCAL DEALERSHIP ( JACKSONVILLE, POWERSPORT) TO HAVE THEM CHECK MY CONCERN . THE SERVICE MANAGER CONTACTED BRP , A CASE WAS ASSIGNED ( #[XXX]) .BRP RECOMMEND TO INSTALL 2014 BODY PANELS FOR MY PROBLEM WHICH I WILL HAVE TO PAY . THESE ARE THE PART # FOR ROADSTER AIR SCOOP RETROFIT KITS LH KIT 219 800 341 , RH KIT 219 800 342 (PURE MAGNESIUM (METALLIC) B-349) .THERE ARE SOME REPORTS OF VEHICLES OF THE SAME YEAR & MODEL THAT HAVE CAUGHT ON FIRE & I DON'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN W/ MY VEHICLE . INFORMATION REDACTED PURSUANT TO THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. 552(B)(6). *TR
AFTER RIDING VEHICLE & PARKING IT , I COULD SMELL STRONG FUEL FUMES FROM VEHICLE. I ALSO NOTICED THAT THE BODY PANELS BECOMES VERY HOT . I ALSO NOTICED THAT THE FUEL IN THE TANK HAS BUBBLES / BOILING .I BROUGHT THE VEHICLE AT MY LOCAL DEALERSHIP ( JACKSONVILLE, POWERSPORT) TO HAVE THEM CHECK MY CONCERN . THE SERVICE MANAGER CONTACTED BRP , A CASE WAS ASSIGNED ( #[XXX]) .BRP RECOMMEND TO INSTALL 2014 BODY PANELS FOR MY PROBLEM WHICH I WILL HAVE TO PAY . THESE ARE THE PART # FOR ROADSTER AIR SCOOP RETROFIT KITS LH KIT 219 800 341 , RH KIT 219 800 342 (PURE MAGNESIUM (METALLIC) B-349) .THERE ARE SOME REPORTS OF VEHICLES OF THE SAME YEAR & MODEL THAT HAVE CAUGHT ON FIRE & I DON'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN W/ MY VEHICLE . INFORMATION REDACTED PURSUANT TO THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. 552(B)(6). *TR
THE SPYDER ST HAS STARTED IDLING ROUGH....RPM'S WILL RACE BETWEEN 1000 AND 2000 IN A NANO SECOND THE BIKE WILL SURGE FORWARD....STARTED HAPPENING AFTER ABOUT 200 HUNDRED ARE SO MILES....NOW IT HAS A ROUGH IDLE ALL THE TIME.....BECOMING A SAFETY HAZARD WHILE AT STOP LIGHTS AND IN TRAFFIC ....WHEN RPM'S REACH 1000 OR BELOW A BEEPING SOUND AS IF BIKE IS GOING TO SHUT OFF....THEN SURGES TO 1800-2000 AND BIKE WILL LURCH FORWARD...BIKE ALSO CLATTERS AND SHAKES AT COLD TAKE-OFF AND REVERSE. *TR
THE SPYDER ST HAS STARTED IDLING ROUGH....RPM'S WILL RACE BETWEEN 1000 AND 2000 IN A NANO SECOND THE BIKE WILL SURGE FORWARD....STARTED HAPPENING AFTER ABOUT 200 HUNDRED ARE SO MILES....NOW IT HAS A ROUGH IDLE ALL THE TIME.....BECOMING A SAFETY HAZARD WHILE AT STOP LIGHTS AND IN TRAFFIC ....WHEN RPM'S REACH 1000 OR BELOW A BEEPING SOUND AS IF BIKE IS GOING TO SHUT OFF....THEN SURGES TO 1800-2000 AND BIKE WILL LURCH FORWARD...BIKE ALSO CLATTERS AND SHAKES AT COLD TAKE-OFF AND REVERSE. *TR