This Problem Across All Years
AT ABOUT 3:00 PM ON THE 29TH OF JULY, 2009 MY WIFE MYSELF AND TWO GRANDCHILDREN DEPARTED OUR HOME IN BEL AIRE, KS DESTINED FOR TAYLOR PARK, CO. WE WERE DRIVING OUR 2002 FORD E-350 VAN WITH V-10, TOWING A WORK AND PLAY TRAILER MADE BY FOREST RIVER (FRAME BY LIPERT COMPONENTS). THIS TRAILER CONTAINED A HONDA RINCON 4-WHEELER LOADED DIRECTLY OVER THE TANDEM AXLES AND 5000 WATT HONDA GENERATOR LOADED JUST BEHIND IT. IN THE VERY REAR WAS A HIGH CHAIR, GARDEN HOSE AND SEVERAL LAWN CHAIRS. NEAR THE FRONT OF THE TRAILER IN THE CLOSET THERE WERE SHIRTS AND COATS. ON THE FLOOR NEAR THE FRONT THERE WERE A FEW GROCERIES (WE ALWAYS SHOP FOR THE BULK OF OUR GROCERIES IN BUENA VISTA, CO BEFORE CROSSING THE COTTONWOOD PASS INTO TAYLOR PARK) THE FRESH WATER TANK WAS LESS THAN ONE THIRD FULL. ON HIGHWAY I-135 NORTH OF NEWTON, KS, MY WIFE HEARD A LOUD SCRAPING NOISE WHICH LASTED ABOUT 10 TO 20 SECONDS AND CEASED. WE AGREED THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE A LOOK AT WHAT MIGHT HAVE GONE WRONG BUT IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY CONTINUED A FEW MILES TO THE "MOUNDRIDGE" EXIT. AFTER STOPPING SAFELY ON THE EXIT RAMP, I DISCOVERED THAT THE TONGUE OF THE TRAILER HAD COLLAPSED JUST IN FRONT OF THE TRAILER BOX AND ALLOWED THE TRAILER TO HIT THE PAVEMENT. THE ONLY REASON THE TRAILER DID NOT COMPLETELY DRAG THE GROUND WAS THE ALUMINUM BOX ON THE TRAILER TONGUE WAS IN "COMPRESSION" AS IF IT WERE AN AIR BAG. THIS FORCE WAS GREAT ENOUGH TO TEAR THE ALUMINUM MATERIAL AT THE CORNERS BUT FORTUNATELY DID NOT FAIL COMPLETELY. THIS COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN A FATAL ACCIDENT. THE PROPANE VALVES WERE IN THE OPEN POSITION AND THE GAS PIPE FEEDING THE REFRIDGERATOR DRUG THE GROUND. OUR GRANDCHILDREN WERE STRAPPED INTO THEIR CAR SEATS AND LIKELY COULD NOT HAVE BEEN EXTRICATED IN TIME HAD THE TRAILER CAUGHT FIRE AND TANKS EXPLODED. THIS WAS DIRECTLY A RESULT OF POOR DESIGN. WALL THICKNESS OF THE TONGUE WAS .100" TO .110" ON MY 2005 24' MODEL. THE THICKNESS OF A 2008 18' MODEL HAD A WALL THICKNESS OF .180 TO .200". *DT
AT ABOUT 3:00 PM ON THE 29TH OF JULY, 2009 MY WIFE MYSELF AND TWO GRANDCHILDREN DEPARTED OUR HOME IN BEL AIRE, KS DESTINED FOR TAYLOR PARK, CO. WE WERE DRIVING OUR 2002 FORD E-350 VAN WITH V-10, TOWING A WORK AND PLAY TRAILER MADE BY FOREST RIVER (FRAME BY LIPERT COMPONENTS). THIS TRAILER CONTAINED A HONDA RINCON 4-WHEELER LOADED DIRECTLY OVER THE TANDEM AXLES AND 5000 WATT HONDA GENERATOR LOADED JUST BEHIND IT. IN THE VERY REAR WAS A HIGH CHAIR, GARDEN HOSE AND SEVERAL LAWN CHAIRS. NEAR THE FRONT OF THE TRAILER IN THE CLOSET THERE WERE SHIRTS AND COATS. ON THE FLOOR NEAR THE FRONT THERE WERE A FEW GROCERIES (WE ALWAYS SHOP FOR THE BULK OF OUR GROCERIES IN BUENA VISTA, CO BEFORE CROSSING THE COTTONWOOD PASS INTO TAYLOR PARK) THE FRESH WATER TANK WAS LESS THAN ONE THIRD FULL. ON HIGHWAY I-135 NORTH OF NEWTON, KS, MY WIFE HEARD A LOUD SCRAPING NOISE WHICH LASTED ABOUT 10 TO 20 SECONDS AND CEASED. WE AGREED THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE A LOOK AT WHAT MIGHT HAVE GONE WRONG BUT IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY CONTINUED A FEW MILES TO THE "MOUNDRIDGE" EXIT. AFTER STOPPING SAFELY ON THE EXIT RAMP, I DISCOVERED THAT THE TONGUE OF THE TRAILER HAD COLLAPSED JUST IN FRONT OF THE TRAILER BOX AND ALLOWED THE TRAILER TO HIT THE PAVEMENT. THE ONLY REASON THE TRAILER DID NOT COMPLETELY DRAG THE GROUND WAS THE ALUMINUM BOX ON THE TRAILER TONGUE WAS IN "COMPRESSION" AS IF IT WERE AN AIR BAG. THIS FORCE WAS GREAT ENOUGH TO TEAR THE ALUMINUM MATERIAL AT THE CORNERS BUT FORTUNATELY DID NOT FAIL COMPLETELY. THIS COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN A FATAL ACCIDENT. THE PROPANE VALVES WERE IN THE OPEN POSITION AND THE GAS PIPE FEEDING THE REFRIDGERATOR DRUG THE GROUND. OUR GRANDCHILDREN WERE STRAPPED INTO THEIR CAR SEATS AND LIKELY COULD NOT HAVE BEEN EXTRICATED IN TIME HAD THE TRAILER CAUGHT FIRE AND TANKS EXPLODED. THIS WAS DIRECTLY A RESULT OF POOR DESIGN. WALL THICKNESS OF THE TONGUE WAS .100" TO .110" ON MY 2005 24' MODEL. THE THICKNESS OF A 2008 18' MODEL HAD A WALL THICKNESS OF .180 TO .200". *DT
TONGUE ON THESE TRAILERS ARE MADE OF A MATERIAL TOO THIN TO SUPPORT THEIR WEIGHT. MY TONGUE FOLDED UP WHILE ENROUTE FROM A CAMPING TRIP. IT WAS LESS THAN 3 INCHES FROM THE GROUND BY THE TIME I GOT HOME. I HAD NO KNOWLEDGE THIS OCCURRED. ANY BUMP IN THE ROAD COULD HAVE GRABBED THE TRAILER AND RIPPED US APART. THE MANUFACTURE HAS TOLD ME THEY HAVE HAD TO INCREASE THE THICKNESS OF THE METAL SUBSEQUENT TO THEIR OWN DISCOVERY OF THIS ISSUE - BUT NO RECALL. ALSO, THEY SENT ME A NEW TONGUE OF THE SAME GAUGE METAL AS THE ONE I HAVE THAT FAILED TO SUPPORT THE WEIGHT OF THE TRAILER. THEY REFUSED TO PROVIDE A STRONGER TONGUE. I HAD TO HIRE A WELDER TO BUILD ONE FROM SCRATCH AT MY COST. WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS INVESTIGATE THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE PRODUCED THESE TRAILERS THAT ARE AT RISK OF COLLAPSING ON THE ROADWAYS WHILE STILL BEING PULLED BY PASSENGER VEHICLES. WE COULD HAVE BEEN KILLED AND SO CAN OTHERS WHO HAVE THESE LIGHT WEIGHT TONGUES ON #12,000 LB TRAILERS. I STILL HAVE THE TONGUE FOR YOUR INSPECTION. I ALSO HAVE PLENTY OF PICTURES EVEN THOSE WHILE STILL ATTACHED TO MY VEHICLE AFTER THE CAMPING TRIP. I WOULD HAVE FAILED TO CLEAR A SPEED BUMP. *TR
TONGUE ON THESE TRAILERS ARE MADE OF A MATERIAL TOO THIN TO SUPPORT THEIR WEIGHT. MY TONGUE FOLDED UP WHILE ENROUTE FROM A CAMPING TRIP. IT WAS LESS THAN 3 INCHES FROM THE GROUND BY THE TIME I GOT HOME. I HAD NO KNOWLEDGE THIS OCCURRED. ANY BUMP IN THE ROAD COULD HAVE GRABBED THE TRAILER AND RIPPED US APART. THE MANUFACTURE HAS TOLD ME THEY HAVE HAD TO INCREASE THE THICKNESS OF THE METAL SUBSEQUENT TO THEIR OWN DISCOVERY OF THIS ISSUE - BUT NO RECALL. ALSO, THEY SENT ME A NEW TONGUE OF THE SAME GAUGE METAL AS THE ONE I HAVE THAT FAILED TO SUPPORT THE WEIGHT OF THE TRAILER. THEY REFUSED TO PROVIDE A STRONGER TONGUE. I HAD TO HIRE A WELDER TO BUILD ONE FROM SCRATCH AT MY COST. WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS INVESTIGATE THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE PRODUCED THESE TRAILERS THAT ARE AT RISK OF COLLAPSING ON THE ROADWAYS WHILE STILL BEING PULLED BY PASSENGER VEHICLES. WE COULD HAVE BEEN KILLED AND SO CAN OTHERS WHO HAVE THESE LIGHT WEIGHT TONGUES ON #12,000 LB TRAILERS. I STILL HAVE THE TONGUE FOR YOUR INSPECTION. I ALSO HAVE PLENTY OF PICTURES EVEN THOSE WHILE STILL ATTACHED TO MY VEHICLE AFTER THE CAMPING TRIP. I WOULD HAVE FAILED TO CLEAR A SPEED BUMP. *TR
FROM PURCHASE CREAKING UNDER TRAILER, BELLY PAN FELL OFF ON THE ROAD TWICE, THEN FOUND 5-6 LENGTHWISE CRACKS IN THE FRAME ( WELDED BY LIPPERT'S MANUFACTURER OF THE FRAME) TWICE. TRAILER NOW DOG TRACKS. TIRES HAVE BEEN REPLACED FROM RUBBING ON FRAME. MOTION CAUSES EVERYTHING TO MOVE DRAWERS FALL OUT EVERY TRIP. COUNTER REPLACED BECAUSE IT CRACKED, PULLS AWAY FROM WALL. MULTIPLE OTHER PROBLEMS. *JB
FROM PURCHASE CREAKING UNDER TRAILER, BELLY PAN FELL OFF ON THE ROAD TWICE, THEN FOUND 5-6 LENGTHWISE CRACKS IN THE FRAME ( WELDED BY LIPPERT'S MANUFACTURER OF THE FRAME) TWICE. TRAILER NOW DOG TRACKS. TIRES HAVE BEEN REPLACED FROM RUBBING ON FRAME. MOTION CAUSES EVERYTHING TO MOVE DRAWERS FALL OUT EVERY TRIP. COUNTER REPLACED BECAUSE IT CRACKED, PULLS AWAY FROM WALL. MULTIPLE OTHER PROBLEMS. *JB
I PURCHASED A 2005 LEXINGTON MOTORHOME FROM A DEALER IN SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA WHICH WAS MANUFACTOURED BY FOREST RIVE, INC. I STARTED A TRIP AROUND THE COUNTRY AND SHORTLY INTO MY TRIP I DISCOVERED THAT APPARENTLY DUE TO A DESIGN DEFECT, UNDER THE MOTORHOME SLIDEOUT 4 HOLES ALLOW CARBON MONOXIDE INTO THE CABIN. AT FIRST THE CARBON MONOXIDE CAME FROM THE GENERATOR EXHAUST BUT LATER WE DISCOVERED THAT ANOTHER VEHICLE PARKED NEXT TO THE MOTORHOME ALSO PRESENTED A PROBLEM. MEASURMENTS OF OVER 450PPM WHERE REGISTERED ON THE CO2 ALARM. I ENDED UP IN EMERGENCY TWICE AND HAD THREE EXPOSURES AND CONFIRMED POISONINGS OF CARBON MONOXIDE. FOREST RIVER INC. MANUFACTURED THE MOTORHOME AND HAS YET BEEN WILLING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE. IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR MY CO ALARM, I FEEL I WOULD BE DEAD TODAY. THE FACTORY (OF COURSE) DENIES THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THEIR DESIGN. BECAUSE OF THIS LIFE THREATENING DEFECT, I AM NOT MORALLY ABLE TO SELL THIS MOTORHOME AS IT IS A DEATH TRAP. I FEEL THE FACTORY HAS A MORAL OBLIGATION TO NOTIFY THE OWNERS OF THE MANY MODELS THAT USE THIS SLIDEOUT DESIGN IN THEIR MOTORHOME OF THIS POTENTIAL LIFE THREATENING PROBLEM BEFORE SOMEONE DOES DIE OR SUFFERS SERIOUS DAMAGE FROM THIS VERY DANGEROUS POISION. ALSO, THE MANUFACTURE APPARENTLY DID NOT DO THE FORD RECOMMENDED ALIGNMENT OF THE BODY AFTER BUILDING THE MOTORHOME AND THE VEHICLE WAS DANGEROUS TO DRIVE. I WAS HOWEVER ABLE TO GET A FORD DEALERSHIP TO REPAIR THE SAFETY PROBLEM.
I PURCHASED A 2005 LEXINGTON MOTORHOME FROM A DEALER IN SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA WHICH WAS MANUFACTOURED BY FOREST RIVE, INC. I STARTED A TRIP AROUND THE COUNTRY AND SHORTLY INTO MY TRIP I DISCOVERED THAT APPARENTLY DUE TO A DESIGN DEFECT, UNDER THE MOTORHOME SLIDEOUT 4 HOLES ALLOW CARBON MONOXIDE INTO THE CABIN. AT FIRST THE CARBON MONOXIDE CAME FROM THE GENERATOR EXHAUST BUT LATER WE DISCOVERED THAT ANOTHER VEHICLE PARKED NEXT TO THE MOTORHOME ALSO PRESENTED A PROBLEM. MEASURMENTS OF OVER 450PPM WHERE REGISTERED ON THE CO2 ALARM. I ENDED UP IN EMERGENCY TWICE AND HAD THREE EXPOSURES AND CONFIRMED POISONINGS OF CARBON MONOXIDE. FOREST RIVER INC. MANUFACTURED THE MOTORHOME AND HAS YET BEEN WILLING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE. IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR MY CO ALARM, I FEEL I WOULD BE DEAD TODAY. THE FACTORY (OF COURSE) DENIES THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THEIR DESIGN. BECAUSE OF THIS LIFE THREATENING DEFECT, I AM NOT MORALLY ABLE TO SELL THIS MOTORHOME AS IT IS A DEATH TRAP. I FEEL THE FACTORY HAS A MORAL OBLIGATION TO NOTIFY THE OWNERS OF THE MANY MODELS THAT USE THIS SLIDEOUT DESIGN IN THEIR MOTORHOME OF THIS POTENTIAL LIFE THREATENING PROBLEM BEFORE SOMEONE DOES DIE OR SUFFERS SERIOUS DAMAGE FROM THIS VERY DANGEROUS POISION. ALSO, THE MANUFACTURE APPARENTLY DID NOT DO THE FORD RECOMMENDED ALIGNMENT OF THE BODY AFTER BUILDING THE MOTORHOME AND THE VEHICLE WAS DANGEROUS TO DRIVE. I WAS HOWEVER ABLE TO GET A FORD DEALERSHIP TO REPAIR THE SAFETY PROBLEM.
I PURCHASED A 2005 LEXINGTON MOTORHOME FROM A DEALER IN SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA WHICH WAS MANUFACTOURED BY FOREST RIVE, INC. I STARTED A TRIP AROUND THE COUNTRY AND SHORTLY INTO MY TRIP I DISCOVERED THAT APPARENTLY DUE TO A DESIGN DEFECT, UNDER THE MOTORHOME SLIDEOUT 4 HOLES ALLOW CARBON MONOXIDE INTO THE CABIN. AT FIRST THE CARBON MONOXIDE CAME FROM THE GENERATOR EXHAUST BUT LATER WE DISCOVERED THAT ANOTHER VEHICLE PARKED NEXT TO THE MOTORHOME ALSO PRESENTED A PROBLEM. MEASURMENTS OF OVER 450PPM WHERE REGISTERED ON THE CO2 ALARM. I ENDED UP IN EMERGENCY TWICE AND HAD THREE EXPOSURES AND CONFIRMED POISONINGS OF CARBON MONOXIDE. FOREST RIVER INC. MANUFACTURED THE MOTORHOME AND HAS YET BEEN WILLING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE. IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR MY CO ALARM, I FEEL I WOULD BE DEAD TODAY. THE FACTORY (OF COURSE) DENIES THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THEIR DESIGN. BECAUSE OF THIS LIFE THREATENING DEFECT, I AM NOT MORALLY ABLE TO SELL THIS MOTORHOME AS IT IS A DEATH TRAP. I FEEL THE FACTORY HAS A MORAL OBLIGATION TO NOTIFY THE OWNERS OF THE MANY MODELS THAT USE THIS SLIDEOUT DESIGN IN THEIR MOTORHOME OF THIS POTENTIAL LIFE THREATENING PROBLEM BEFORE SOMEONE DOES DIE OR SUFFERS SERIOUS DAMAGE FROM THIS VERY DANGEROUS POISION. ALSO, THE MANUFACTURE APPARENTLY DID NOT DO THE FORD RECOMMENDED ALIGNMENT OF THE BODY AFTER BUILDING THE MOTORHOME AND THE VEHICLE WAS DANGEROUS TO DRIVE. I WAS HOWEVER ABLE TO GET A FORD DEALERSHIP TO REPAIR THE SAFETY PROBLEM.
I PURCHASED A 2005 LEXINGTON MOTORHOME FROM A DEALER IN SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA WHICH WAS MANUFACTOURED BY FOREST RIVE, INC. I STARTED A TRIP AROUND THE COUNTRY AND SHORTLY INTO MY TRIP I DISCOVERED THAT APPARENTLY DUE TO A DESIGN DEFECT, UNDER THE MOTORHOME SLIDEOUT 4 HOLES ALLOW CARBON MONOXIDE INTO THE CABIN. AT FIRST THE CARBON MONOXIDE CAME FROM THE GENERATOR EXHAUST BUT LATER WE DISCOVERED THAT ANOTHER VEHICLE PARKED NEXT TO THE MOTORHOME ALSO PRESENTED A PROBLEM. MEASURMENTS OF OVER 450PPM WHERE REGISTERED ON THE CO2 ALARM. I ENDED UP IN EMERGENCY TWICE AND HAD THREE EXPOSURES AND CONFIRMED POISONINGS OF CARBON MONOXIDE. FOREST RIVER INC. MANUFACTURED THE MOTORHOME AND HAS YET BEEN WILLING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE. IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR MY CO ALARM, I FEEL I WOULD BE DEAD TODAY. THE FACTORY (OF COURSE) DENIES THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THEIR DESIGN. BECAUSE OF THIS LIFE THREATENING DEFECT, I AM NOT MORALLY ABLE TO SELL THIS MOTORHOME AS IT IS A DEATH TRAP. I FEEL THE FACTORY HAS A MORAL OBLIGATION TO NOTIFY THE OWNERS OF THE MANY MODELS THAT USE THIS SLIDEOUT DESIGN IN THEIR MOTORHOME OF THIS POTENTIAL LIFE THREATENING PROBLEM BEFORE SOMEONE DOES DIE OR SUFFERS SERIOUS DAMAGE FROM THIS VERY DANGEROUS POISION. ALSO, THE MANUFACTURE APPARENTLY DID NOT DO THE FORD RECOMMENDED ALIGNMENT OF THE BODY AFTER BUILDING THE MOTORHOME AND THE VEHICLE WAS DANGEROUS TO DRIVE. I WAS HOWEVER ABLE TO GET A FORD DEALERSHIP TO REPAIR THE SAFETY PROBLEM.
I PURCHASED A 2005 MOTORHOME FROM A DEALER IN SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA. I STARTED A TRIP AROUND THE COUNTRY AND SHORTLY INTO MY TRIP I DISCOVERED THAT APPARENTLY DUE TO A DESIGN DEFECT, UNDER THE MOTORHOME SLIDEOUT 4 HOLES ALLOW CARBON MONOXIDE INTO THE CABIN. AT FIRST THE CARBON MONOXIDE CAME FROM THE GENERATOR EXHAUST BUT LATER WE DISCOVERED THAT ANOTHER VEHICLE PARKED NEXT TO THE MOTORHOME ALSO PRESENTED A PROBLEM. MEASUREMENTS OF OVER 450PPM WHERE REGISTERED ON THE CO2 ALARM. I ENDED UP IN EMERGENCY TWICE AND HAD THREE EXPOSURES AND CONFIRMED POISONING OF CARBON MONOXIDE. FOREST RIVER INC. MANUFACTURED THE MOTORHOME AND HAS YET BEEN WILLING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE. IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR MY CO ALARM, I FEEL I WOULD BE DEAD TODAY. THE FACTORY (OF COURSE) DENIES THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THEIR DESIGN. BECAUSE OF THIS LIFE THREATENING DEFECT, I AM NOT MORALLY ABLE TO SELL THIS MOTORHOME AS IT IS A DEATH TRAP. DOES SOMEONE ACTUALLY NEED TO DIE FOR SOMETHING TO BE DONE TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM? I FEEL THE FACTORY HAS A MORAL OBLIGATION TO NOTIFY THE OWNERS OF THE MANY MODELS THAT USE THIS SLIDEOUT DESIGN IN THEIR MOTORHOME OF THIS POTENTIAL LIFE THREATENING PROBLEM BEFORE SOMEONE DOES DIE OR SUFFERS SERIOUS DAMAGE FROM THIS VERY DANGEROUS POISON. *JB
I PURCHASED A 2005 MOTORHOME FROM A DEALER IN SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA. I STARTED A TRIP AROUND THE COUNTRY AND SHORTLY INTO MY TRIP I DISCOVERED THAT APPARENTLY DUE TO A DESIGN DEFECT, UNDER THE MOTORHOME SLIDEOUT 4 HOLES ALLOW CARBON MONOXIDE INTO THE CABIN. AT FIRST THE CARBON MONOXIDE CAME FROM THE GENERATOR EXHAUST BUT LATER WE DISCOVERED THAT ANOTHER VEHICLE PARKED NEXT TO THE MOTORHOME ALSO PRESENTED A PROBLEM. MEASUREMENTS OF OVER 450PPM WHERE REGISTERED ON THE CO2 ALARM. I ENDED UP IN EMERGENCY TWICE AND HAD THREE EXPOSURES AND CONFIRMED POISONING OF CARBON MONOXIDE. FOREST RIVER INC. MANUFACTURED THE MOTORHOME AND HAS YET BEEN WILLING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE. IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR MY CO ALARM, I FEEL I WOULD BE DEAD TODAY. THE FACTORY (OF COURSE) DENIES THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THEIR DESIGN. BECAUSE OF THIS LIFE THREATENING DEFECT, I AM NOT MORALLY ABLE TO SELL THIS MOTORHOME AS IT IS A DEATH TRAP. DOES SOMEONE ACTUALLY NEED TO DIE FOR SOMETHING TO BE DONE TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM? I FEEL THE FACTORY HAS A MORAL OBLIGATION TO NOTIFY THE OWNERS OF THE MANY MODELS THAT USE THIS SLIDEOUT DESIGN IN THEIR MOTORHOME OF THIS POTENTIAL LIFE THREATENING PROBLEM BEFORE SOMEONE DOES DIE OR SUFFERS SERIOUS DAMAGE FROM THIS VERY DANGEROUS POISON. *JB