1991 PLYMOUTH GRAND VOYAGER Service Brakes, Hydraulic Problems

WE OWN A 1991 PLYMOUTH GRAND VOYAGER. ON JANUARY 9, 2006 THE ABS WARNING LIGHT ILLUMINATED. WE HAD THE BRAKES OF OUR PLYMOUTH GRAND VOYAGER SUPPOSEDLY FIXED BY CROWN CHRYSLER IN GREENSBORO, NC AT THIS TIME. WE BOUGHT THE CAR TO THE DEALERSHIP BASED ON NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID NUMBER 96V099000 (SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC; ANTILOCK). IN OCTOBER OF 2007, THE ABS BRAKES QUIT WORKING AGAIN. THE ABS WARNING LIGHT ILLUMINATED. AFTER TALKING TO OUR MECHANIC, WE FINALLY BOUGHT THE CAR BACK TO THE DEALERSHIP IN GREENSBORO ON JANUARY 25, 2008. THE DEALER STATED THAT THE ABS CAB CONTROLLER NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. HOWEVER, THE PART WAS NO LONGER BEING MANUFACTURED. HE ADVISED US TO CHECK WITH A SALVAGE YARD FOR PARTS. AFTER TAKING THE CAR TO THE DEALER TO CHECK THE ABS AND BRAKE LIGHT , MY HUSBAND LOOKED UNDER THE HOOD AND FOUND BRAKE FLUID SPILLED OVER THE ENTIRE MASTER CYLINDER. THE BRAKE FLUID LEVEL WAS EMPTY AFTER THE DEALER CHECKED THE CAR OUT AND RETURNED IT TO US. SINCE THIS RECALL HAD A LIFETIME WARRANTY ON IT, IT SHOULD BE THE DEALERS RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX THE ABS BRAKE SYSTEM WITHOUT CHARGE. THE PART WAS PREVIOUSLY REPLACED AT 50,847 MILES UNDER NHTSA CAMPAIGN NUMBER 96V099000 (SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC : ANTILOCK) THE POWER TRAIN IS AUTOMATIC. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 50,847 AND CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 58,791. PLEASE HELP US TO RESOLVE THIS PROBLEM WITH THE DEALERSHIP. *TR

Mileage: 50,847

TL*THE CONTACT OWNS A 1991 PLYMOUTH GRAND VOYAGER. THE ABS WARNING INDICATOR LIGHT ILLUMINATED. THE DEALER STATED THAT THE ABS CAB CONTROLLER NEEDED TO BE REPLACED; HOWEVER, THE PART WAS NO LONGER BEING MANUFACTURED. SHE WAS ADVISED TO CHECK WITH A SALVAGE YARD. THE PART WAS PREVIOUSLY REPLACED AT 50,847 MILES UNDER NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID NUMBER 96V099000 (SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:ANTILOCK). THE POWERTRAIN WAS UNKNOWN. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 50,847 AND CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 58,791. UPDATED 03-25-08 *BF THE CONSUMER STATED AFTER TAKING THE VEHICLE TO THE DEALER TO CHECK ABS AND BRAKE LIGHTS THEY FOUND BRAKE FLUID LEAKING OVER THE MASTER CYLINDER. THE DEALER STATED PERFORMED RECALL REGARDING THE HATCHBACK. UPDATED 03/26/08 *TR

Mileage: 50,847

TL*THE CONTACT OWNS A 1991 PLYMOUTH GRAND VOYAGER. THE CONTACT TOOK THE VEHICLE TO THE DEALER FOR A BRAKING SYSTEM DIAGNOSTIC. HE STATED THAT BOTH BRAKE LIGHTS WOULD ILLUMINATE, BUT THE BRAKE ASSIST WOULD NOT ENGAGE. THE DIAGNOSTIC INDICATED THAT A HYDRAULIC ASSEMBLY, PUMP MOTOR, AND ACCUMULATOR WERE NEEDED. THESE PARTS ARE ON A MANUFACTURER SAFETY RECALL (NUMBER 685) FOR THE LIFETIME OF THE VEHICLE. THE MANUFACTURER STATED THAT THE PARTS WERE NO LONGER UNDER WARRANTY. THE CONTACT STATED THAT HE HAS A RECALL NOTICE FOR NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID NUMBER 96V099000 (SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:ANTILOCK) THAT STATES THE PARTS ARE STILL UNDER A LIFETIME WARRANTY AT NO COST. CHRYSLER STATED THAT THE PARTS WERE IN STOCK AND THEY WOULD REPLACE THE PARTS AFTER HE PROVIDED THE DOCUMENTATION. THE CONTACT WAS ISSUED REFERENCE NUMBER 16944985. THE BRAKES WOULD GRADUALLY STOP THE VEHICLE FROM A DISTANCE WHEN APPROACHING A LIGHT. IN ORDER FOR THE VEHICLE TO COME TO A COMPLETE STOP, HE MUST DEPRESS THE BRAKE PEDAL WITH BOTH FEET. THE SPEED WAS UNKNOWN. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 221,000 AND CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 222,000.

Mileage: 221,000

TL*THE CONTACT OWNS A 1991 PLYMOUTH GRAND VOYAGER. WHILE DRIVING BETWEEN 10-40 MPH UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS, THE ANTILOCK BRAKES LOCKED UP. THE VEHICLE WAS REPAIRED DUE TO NHTSA RECALL NUMBER 96V099000 (SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:ANTILOCK), HOWEVER, THE FAILURE STILL PERSISTS. THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 136,000 AND FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 90,000.

Mileage: 90,000

TL*- THE CONTACT RECEIVED RECALL CAMPAIGN # 96V09900. THE CONTACT STATED THAT HE CALLED THE MANUFACTURER, AND WAS TOLD THAT HIS VEHICLE WAS NOT ON THE RECALL. THE CONTACT STATED THAT HE WAS HAVING PROBLEMS WITH ANTI LOCK BRAKES. T WHEN THE BRAKES WERE APPLIED THE ANTI LOCK BRAKE LIGHT AND THE BRAKE LIGHT TURNED ON AT THE SAME TIME. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE LIGHTS EVENTUALLY TURNED OFF AFTER A PERIOD OF TIME. THEN, WHEN HE APPLIED THE BRAKES BRAKE PEDAL WENT DOWN FURTHER THAN NORMAL. THE FAILURE OCCURRED AT ANY SPEED AND IN ANY TYPE OF WEATHER.*AK

1991 PLYMONTH VOYAGER ABS ANTI LOCK BRAKE FAILURE.THIS IS THE 4TH TIME IT IS IN THE GARAGE AND AT LEAST 2 WEEKS OUT OF SERVICE EACH TIME.I AM AFRAID FOR MY FAMILY TO OPERATE THIS VEHICAL ANYMORE AND I HAVE BECOME DISABLED AND CAN NOT AFFORD TO TRADE.THEY KNOW OF THE PROBLEM AND WHY CAN THEY NOT FIX IT SO IT IS NOT HAPPENING FOR TIMES. IT IS A SAFETY LEMON. *AK

Mileage: 60,000

CHRYSLER CORPORATION ADMITTED THAT THIS VEHICLE WAS INCLUDED IN THE NHTSA RECALL 96V099000 CONCERNING ABS BRAKE FAILURE. HYDRAULIC CONTROL UNIT CAN EXPERIENCE EXCESSIVE BRAKE ACTUATOR PISTON SEAL WEAR CAUSING PUMP-MOTOR DETERIORATION. HOWEVER DEALER AND MANUFACTURER WON'T HONOR THIS RECALL. *AK

WHILE DRIVING 55 MPH, THE DRIVER APPLIED THE BRAKES AND THE PEDAL WENT TO THE FLOOR. THIS CAUSED THE DRIVER TO LOOSE BRAKING POWER. THE DRIVER PUMPED THE BRAKE PEDAL FOUR TIMES IN ORDER TO STOP. THEN THE DRIVER PULLED OVER. SMOKE WAS COMING FROM THE FRONT DRIVER SIDE WHEEL. THE DRIVER HAD THE VEHICLE TOWED TO THE DEALER FOR INSPECTION. THE MECHANIC INFORMED THE DRIVER THAT THE HUB CAP MELTED TO THE RIM. THE BRAKE CONTROLLER MODULAR NEEDED REPLACING DUE TO THE SENSOR INSIDE. THE BRAKE PADS, ROTOR, AND BRAKE CALIBER WAS ALSO REPLACED. PLEASE FILL IN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. *JB

RECALL 96V099000 CONCERNING ABS BRAKE FAILURE. DEALER CLAIMED TO HAVE FIXED THE RECALL WORK ON THE ABS SYSTEM. BUT BRAKES STILL EXPERIENCED THE SAME PROBLEMS AS BEFORE. BRAKES EXPERIENCED EXTENDED STOPPING DISTANCE. *AK

Mileage: 10,000

THE VEHICLE EXPERIENCED THE SAME PROBLEM AS STATED IN RECALL #96 V 099 00, HOWEVER THE VEHICLE IDENTIFICATION NUMBER WAS NOT INCLUDED.*JB

NHTSA ISSUED A RECALL FOR GRAND VOYAGER MINIVANS MANUFACTURED BETWEEN 07/1990 AND 06/1993 TO HAVE THE BRAKE ACTUATOR PISTON ASSEMBLY AND THE PUMP-MOTOR ASSEMBLY TO BE REPLACED FOR LIFETIME COVERAGE. NHTSA ISSUED THE RECALL ON 06/18/1996. THE NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID NUMBER IS 96V099000. I CONTACTED CHRYSLER ON 4/23/2002 TO DISCUSS THE RECALL. CHRYSLER CLAIMS THAT THAT RECALL AFFECTED GRAND VOYAGER VANS PRODUCED BEFORE MINE WAS PRODUCED AND AFTER MINE WAS PRODUCED. I FIND THIS EXCUSE ABSURD. MY VEHICLE CLEARLY HAS THE SAME DEFECTIVE PARTS. MY PUMP-MOTOR CONTINUALLY RUNS AND HAS AN AIR LEAK SO BAD YOU CAN HEAR IT. I DID NOT LEARN ABOUT THE RECALL UNTIL YESTERDAY WHEN SOME FRIENDS OF MINE INFORMED ME THAT CHRYSLER REPLACED THEIR PUMPS AT NO COST FOR HAVING THE SAME PROBLEMS AS MINE. CHRYSLER CLEARLY INSTALLED DEFECTIVE BRAKE PARTS IN M Y VAN.*AK

CONSUMER STATES PRIOR TO RECEIVING RECALL 96V099, THERE WAS A NOISE WHEN THE BRAKES WERE APPLIED, UPON RECEIVING RECALL, CONSUMER TOOK VEHICLE TO DEALER FOR REPLACEMENT OF RECALL COMPONENT, AFTER REPLACEMENT, BRAKES FAILED WHILE DRIVING, PART HAS FAILED 5 TIMES AND HAS BEEN REPLACED 3 TIMES. *SLC

CONSUMER STATES PRIOR TO RECEIVING RECALL 96V099, THERE WAS A NOISE WHEN THE BRAKES WERE APPLIED, UPON RECEIVING RECALL, CONSUMER TOOK VEHICLE TO DEALER FOR REPLACEMENT OF RECALL COMPONENT, AFTER REPLACEMENT, BRAKES FAILED WHILE DRIVING, PART HAS FAILED 5 TIMES AND HAS BEEN REPLACED 3 TIMES. *SLC

ABS LIGHT CAME ON WHILE DRIVING. VEHICLE WAS LOCKING UP AND JERKING WHEN CONSUMER APPLIED BRAKES FOR A NORMAL STOP AT ABOUT 45-50 MPH/NO BRAKING ACTION, PEDAL FELT HARD. CONSUMER HIT FENCE TO GET VEHICLE TO STOP. DAMAGE WAS $ 2000. CONSUMER DID NOT HAVE TIME TO APPLY BRAKES AGAIN, WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HITTING ANOTHER VEHICLE. PLEASE ADD ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. *AK

WHILE DRIVING ABOUT 25 MPH STEPPED ON THE BRAKES AND LOST CONTROL OF VEHICLE. VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO DEALER, AND FOUND OUT THAT ABS POWER ASSIST MALFUNCTIONED. *AK THE POWER ASSIST IS DEFECTIVE. THE CONSUMER SUGGESTS THAT ALL VEHICLE WITH POWER ASSIST SHOULD HAVE IT REPLACED. *YH

PAINT PEELING AWAY FROM THE ROOF IN BIG CHUNKS ESPECIALLY DURING WINTER WHEN SNOW SLIDES OFF. ALSO 2ND GEAR LOCK UP AT MODERATE SPEED BACK IN 1998 WITH RPM SHOOTING UP TO 3500 MARK. ONLY 2 MONTHS PAST THE 7/70 POWER TRAIN WARRANTY ON THE VAN. HAD IT REPAIRED AT LOCAL AAMCO SHOP. REPLACED TORQUE CONVERTER AND MORE. ABS WARNING LIGHT COMING ON FROM TIME TO TIME W/ SLIGHT BRAKE LOCK UP AT MODERATE SPEED. DEALER REPLACED CAB MODULE BUT PROBLEM STILL RECURRED. FINALLY REPLACED ABS PUMP.

RECALL 96V099/ ABS: ANTI-SKID BRAKES. DEALER HAS REPAIRED VEHICLE FOUR TIMES, AND THE PROBLEM HAS REOCCURRED.*AK

WHEN CONSUMER APPLIES BRAKES LEFT TIRES LOCK UP, AND VEHICLE SKIDS. *AK

WHEN APPLYING THE BRAKES PEDAL STIFFENED, AND VEHICLE WOULD NOT STOP. DRIVER HAD TO PULL OFF THE HIGHWAY. DEALER HAS NOT SEEN VEHICLE. *AK

WHILE TRAVELING CONSUMER NOTICE ABS INDICATION LIGHT ON. WHEN DEPRESSING BRAKE PEDAL IT GOES TO THE FLOORBOARD, RESULTING IN EXTENDED STOPPING DISTANCE. DEALER HAS BEEN CONTACTED, VEHICLE EXPERIENCES CONTINUED FAILURE, ABS PRESSURE SWITCH REPLACE 12-15-99.. *AK

THE ABS TRANSDUCER HAS BEEN REPLACED 3 TIMES SINCE RECALL REPAIR (96V-099). VEHICLE CONTINUES TO EXPERIENCE BRAKE FAILURE. NLM

WHEN APPLYING THE BRAKES THE PEDAL WOULD GOES TO THE FLOOR, AND THE VEHICLE WOULD NOT STOP. HAS BEEN REPAIRED TWICE BEFORE. THIS TIME BRAKE FLUID IS LEAKING FROM THE VEHICLE. DEALER CAN'T FIND THE PROBLEM. *AK

FUEL RAILS FOR 3.3L ENGINES FOR CARS WERE RECALLED BUT NOT FOR THE VANS, WHEN IN FACT WE HAVE HAD 2 FUEL RAILS THAT HAD MAJOR LEAKS IN SPOTS THAT ARE SUPPOSE TO BE SEALED. I ALSO KNOW ATLEAST 3 OWNERS THAT HAVE HAD THE SAME PROBLEM. THIS PART AT ONE TIME WERE ON BACK ORDER BY 950 PARTS. MY VAN IS NOT OPERATIONAL AND I FEEL I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PURSHASE ANOTHER AND PAY THE LABOR TO HAVE IT REPLACED BECAUSE THE MANUFACTURER WON'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE DEFECT. *AK

CONSUMER HAD VEHICLE TAKEN TO RECEIVE RECALL WORK 96V-099, HOWEVER NOT COMPLETED AS THE VEHICLE WAS NOT EXPERIENCING PROBLEMS AT THE TIME OF INSPECTION, HOWEVER LATER HAD FAILURES ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS AND REPAIRS MADE, DEALERSHIP DENIED RECALL SERVICE. *MJS

BRAKE BOOSTER IS UNPREDICTABLE, REPLACED SEVERAL TIMES AND CONTINUES TO HAVE PROBLEMS.

WHILE DRIVING AND APPLYING THE BRAKES AND THE ABS KICKS IN. BUT THE VAN DOES NOT STOP. ALSO HAS EXTENDED STOPPING DISTANCE. THE BRAKES FEEL LIKE THEY DO NOT WANT TO GRAB. DEALER REPLACED THE PUMP, AND THE RECALL WAS GOOD FOR REPLACING PUMP MOTOR DETERIORATION. WHAT THE OWNER IS EXPERIENCING IS NOT RELATED TO THE RECALL. OWNER IS EXPERIENCING A BRAKE PROBLEM THAT CAN CAUSE AN ACCIDENT BECAUSE THERE ARE NO BRAKES IN SOME INSTANCES. *AK

WHEN THE BRAKES WERE APPLIED THE PEDAL WENT TO THE FLOOR, RESULTING IN EXTENDED STOPPING DISTANCE. THE DEALER HAS REPAIRED THE ABS SYSTEM UNDER A RECALL TWO TIMES PRIOR TO THE INCIDENT. (96V-099). *AK

ABS FAILURE. BRAKES HAVE BEEN REPAIRED 3 TIMES PERTAINING THE RECALL AND THE PROBLEM STILL IS NOT FIXED.

VEHICLE WAS INSPECTED UNDER ABS RECALL #96V099000 AND RESULTED IN NO REPLACEMENT OF DEFECTIVE PARTS. 30,000 MILES LATER THE ABS FAILED TOTALLY.

BRAKES LOCKED UP CAUSING VEHICLE TO SPINOUT. NLM

RECALL #96V099000, DEALER IS NOT ABLE TO DUPLICATE BRAKE PROBLEM. MANUFACTURER WILL NOT SEND PARTS TO CORRECT. OWNER IS EXPERIENCING PROBLEM WITH BRAKES. *AK

APPLIED BRAKES, PEDAL WENT TO FLOOR, CAUSED EXTENDED STOPPING DISTANCE. DEALER HAS NOT DUPLICATED PROBLEM, AVAILABLE FOR INSPECTION. *AK

VEHICLES ABS BRAKING SYSTEM FAILS WITH EXTENDED STOPPING DISTANCES THE DRIVER HAS TO RIDE WITH BOTH FEET ON THE PEDAL. *AK

ANTILOCK BRAKES FAILED PRIOR TO RECALL. (ATTORNEY OF CLIENT)

ABS FAILED PRIOR TO RECALL NOTICE.

ANTILOCK BRAKE WARNING LIGHTS CAME ON WHILE DRIVING, AFTER SEVERAL MINUTES THE BRAKES FAILED AND REQUIRED BOTH FEET ON THE PEDAL TO STOP, REPLACE HYDRAULIC CONTROL UNIT.

WHILE DRIVING THE VEHICLE THE ANTI-LOCK BRAKE/ BRAKES LIGHTS CAME ON, UPON TAKING THE VEHICLE TO THE DEALER THE BRAKES GAVE OUT AND DEALER COULD NOT DETERMINE ANY PROBLEMS. *AK CONSUMER STTES IT TAKES A GREAT DEAL OF PRESSURE ON THE PEDAL TO STOP THE VAN, MUST ALSO ALLOW FOR GREATER STOPPING DISTANCE, 2 DAYS AFTER HAVING THE SYSTEM CHECKED OUT THE ANTI-LOCK AND BRAKE LIGHTS STAYED ON MOST OF THE TIME, DEALER STATED SYSTEM IS BUILDING UP PRESSURE BUT SLOWLY AND MOST TIMES NOT AT ALL.*JB

ABS SYSTEM HAS HAD CONTINUED PROBLEMS PRIOR TO RECALL NOTICE.

ANTILOCK BRAKES FAILED.